The Ultimate?

[segolden]

As some of you veterans of the forum will already know, I shoot a Monster Bows Phoenix compound bow, a new design in "lever-action" that is distantly related to the older Oneida. For those, like myself, who still enjoy traditional bows, however, you might like to check MBLLC's newest product:  The "Lycan".

http://www.monsterbows.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=5565

For now, the "kit" form of the Lycan will convert either the Phoenix or the new Dragon models from compound lever-bows to a recurve in about five minutes of switching parts on the riser. Later on, the Lycan will have its own riser and even longbow limbs as options. Check out the Monster bows site and the Lycan forum for the details. Who says you can't have the best of both worlds?

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[Joe(thebow)M]

Interesting concept.  I wonder why other bow makers haven't thought of this, using the existing Riser and offering a change out from Compound to Recurve?


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[Steve B]

I think I shall watch how all this progresses along, great concept and the finished product looks good as well  

[segolden]

The MBLLC people seem to be way out ahead of other designers, partially because the basic system of cables and levers (as opposed to gears and cams) that they have come up with allows a great deal more innovation. I seriously doubt that any conventional compound could be so radically changed with so little trouble, certainly not without a shop-full of tools and a great deal of time taken for the switch.

I seriously investigated the idea of the "Warf" a while back, but the trouble involved with adapting an old riser and researching the right limb combination finally threw me off. My own inclination went toward something similar to the Lycan concept, with the ability to change between longbow and recurve easily. The idea of changing around my Phoenix is a little beyond me since I don't like the very minor re-tuning that would be required when switching back to compound, but there is such potential for people in a "morphing" kit like this that they should consider it. For myself, I'm waiting to see how the dedicated Lycan riser and limb sets work out. Now, if I can just slip this onto next Hanukkah's gift list without Kathy noticing...


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[stonecold]

I saw that on the forum earlier  

Even more convinced I made a good choice ordering a Dragon  

[kirk]

Now that's thinking outside the box, I know of a few custom jobs that use compound risers, but once converted they stay recurve. Martin have done it and Darton using existing compound risers. But it's the interchangeability I like, what a cool idea. All they need now are a set of longbow limbs and you have 3 in one.

Apt name too, shoot compound at night, recurve in the day.

Although the Dark Side is strong your never far from the light of Traditional.


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[Joe(thebow)M]

I've thought at times - wondering if I could make limbs (Recurve or Longbow style)
for my #55 Bear Compound?  I expect if I had the proper material it could be done.
I've had this compound torn completely down a few times, what's once more?


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[segolden]

I'm sure it's possible , Joe, but I don't think you could expect to be able to convert it back to original, having looked into projects like this before for myself. You might try the guys up at this site:

http://www.tradtalk.com/forums/index.php

They have people over there who have been doing these kinds of conversions for years.

BTW, I know a lot of archers here like to "shoot off the shelf", particularly in barebow comps, so they should be happy to find that the MBLLC Lycan will have this option, though I'm not certain what rules apply to a metal-riser bow in the Anglo-Saxon territories. With limbs for both longbow and recurve, this piece would be a heck of an instinct-shooter in the field.


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[kirk]

I have studied the same threads Steve, it's called warfin apparently.
I shoot my AFB off the shelf in the barebow class because I use allys instead of woods, I'm just in the process of setting my Gamemmaster up for off the shelf with skinny carbons. I just shoot better off the shelf with a little cant on the bow.
Joe, Fed Bears Black Bear risers seem to be a favourite for conversion, it's all about limb pad angle being correct for recurve limbs. I'm sure you could whittle something out of hardwood that would work.


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[Joe(thebow)M]

Thanks for the info guys.  I wouldn't feel awfully bad if the conversion project didn't
work out as I'm not really doing anything with this F. Bear Black Bear Compound.  It
has long been paid for and has provided countless hours of archery enjoyment, but
the compound is not really that interesting to me anylonger.  I like the sticks as you
know.  Think I'll do some research.  Might even call Bear Archery and talk with them a
bit on limbs to convert???


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[sambow]

Interesting concept. But from a business perspective I wonder how many monster shooters would want to convert it to a recurve bow and loose 50% of feet per second. It will be interesting to see how the kit sells.

If I was lucky enough to have a monster, I wouldn't.

[segolden]

Which is probably why a complete bow, using whatever riser the customer wishes, will be the better seller over time. The DAS Kinetic Dalaa and co. are responses to the growing number of "warf" conversions here in North America. The Lycan kit gives more options, but I myself lean toward a complete bow with the same riser as my Phoenix compound. Such a bow, with ability to switch between longbow and recurve while shooting off the shelf, would be my ideal. Others will no doubt want some different combination; the point is that this Lycan offers them much more than you get from any other manufacturer. "Choose your weapons!"

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