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Ratfighter
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:21 am Post subject:

sheep2580 wrote:

geoffretired, thanks. I think I will try shooting without the dot in the middle of my scope.
I currently have a circle with a small dot in the middle

Ratfighter, my shot sequence:
Nock arrow,
Attatch release aid,
look at gold,
draw,
position peep in line with sight,
wrap middle finger around trigger,
move sight as close to gold as i can (usually 12 o'clock red as said)
increase back pressure on release until it goes (whilst trying to bring the bow down to gold)

I believe, having thought about it, that i might be focussing on the sight instead of the target.
When i draw i am looking at the target and bring the bow into line with where i am looking.

I missed a couple of things when reading your post, sorry it was some Bavarian beer, but also an indication of how the subconscious works at times.

My shot sequence is this
Attitude: feet positioning / attitude to target
Attach: nock, attach release
Approach: raise bowarm and place scope at 12 oclock blue / red
Draw Draw keeping target in the scope all the time. ensure joints are bone on bone solid but muscularly relaxed (really hard to describe)

Settle: Sight through peep, watch the scope naturaly fall to the gold, engage the release
Check : Final check that I feel happy to commit to the shot, do I feel right, hands, feet body, (does this feel the same?)
Commit : Commit to the shot whilst aiming the ring on the gold
Follow Through: Visualise my release hitting my shoulder and watch the gold until I hear a thud
Somewhere in between my shot goes off.

I am not sure where the middle finger comes into the trigger equation but the fingers are very senstive and directly attached to your conscious mind for obvious reasons. As soon as you start an automated action, it goes running to your brain and says "We are about to shoot the arrow", the conscious then says "I'll see about that " and whilst you should be totally focussed on the gold, your head is arguing with its self.

I use a thumb release, although it is rather misnamed as the "trigger" fits at the root of my thumb, where there is very little feeling. Small movements go undetected and no warning over ride can occur.

I would consider moving the setting the release part of your sequence up, so that once you have the peep in the scope, all you have to do is check and commit to the shot.
Finally . You mention bringing the bow into line whilst aiming, with a correct shot sequence the bow should already be in line set on the gold and waiting for you.

There you go, loads to think about and all probably a bit daunting but, I'm sure you will find that the answers are so blindingly obvious, it is an easy process to follow.

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sheep2580
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

There is a lot but (hopefully) when i have practiced enough i will be comfortable with my shot and shooting to a higher standard than before i asked my question. My middle finger comes into because i use a wrist release and curl my index finger round and place it on my jaw bone and my middle finger is on the trigger. I feel that its more comfortable than using my index on the trigger. You say that I should already have the bow in line, do you mean that i should look through the scope then align the peep with that? Thanks so much for the advice and I hope its helping others as much as it is helping me. _________________ To shoot compound accurately is easy, to shoot really accurately is really hard

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Arrows: Easton A/C/C and Easton XX75
Accesories: BlackSheep Long Rod, Tru Ball Wrist Release

Ratfighter
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject:

Sorry for the delay in replying. We had guests over Saturday and out all Sunday. Firstly I’ve never seen anyone use a finger trigger in your way, so I can’t comment on the effectiveness, however it must surely put the release off line with your face and cause you to lean your head. Interesting concept though. As said before though, a finger release will not help cure TP, it will make it worse. As for lining up the scope. There is some good you tube footage of Chris White shooting, watch this with my comments in mind and it will be far clearer than words alone. I watch the target through the scope as I draw and as I set myself for the shot I fall in line with the peep. I keep all movement to the minimum, you probably get 7 seconds of good strong aiming, I think it best to use as much of the 7 good seconds actually aiming. _________________ MERLIN ARCHERY CLUB GETTING RATTIER BY THE MINUTE

sheep2580
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject:

I have now had my style checked by Custom Built Archery in Nottingham, apparently my draw length was short so we lengthed it and now i can anchor the string on my mouth corner and nose, it helps and i was told that the way i release is fine as long as i am sure i am always in a straight line and it feels comfortable. I haven't cracked the aiming on gold but 4/6 shots it does wander onto gold so things are improving slowly:) Thanks for all your input, its helped loads _________________ To shoot compound accurately is easy, to shoot really accurately is really hard

Club: Selby Archers
Bow: Hoyt Vipertec
Sight: Toxonics model 3515
Arrows: Easton A/C/C and Easton XX75
Accesories: BlackSheep Long Rod, Tru Ball Wrist Release

fred
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:14 am Post subject:

Try not shooting for the spot.Pick a spot the biggest part of the target are If an animal face the head. Your scores will drop but you may find that you will in time come back to the kill or spot automatic.

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