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Mjollnir
Grand Master Bowman

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Location: Cambridge

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:10 am Post subject:

Don't worry selgolden, as long as you keep finding gems like that, you lure away to your hearts content. _________________ My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

kathyg
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Location: Willcox AZ USA

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject:

that's my hubby, the rotten influence (not) lol. _________________ Man may plan, but God laughs.

Club: N/A
Bow: Browning Micro Midas III
Sight: none
Arrows: Carbon Force
Accesories: stab and release

segolden
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject:

Thought this would whet a few appetites: http://monsterbows.com/forums/vie...542114d66e7a5d3ef8a30118e7a#25631 (You might have to scroll to the top of the page to see the pics.) _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Club: none
Bow: Quinn Comet XL, Grozer Horsebow, KG ELB, Two Rivers R/D
Sight: DAS Kinetic SRF
Arrows: Easton X7 Eclipse 1916's, GT XT Hunter 3555's
Accesories: Sims SRS stab, enhancer & Limbsavers; Dawgware side-quiver

Awaiting MBLLC Phoenix bow

kirk
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:03 am Post subject:

That is one sweet looking bow, i would love to see one in the flesh. Wonder how they feel to draw? _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

Club: Owlethall Bowmen
Bow: Mathews Conqest 3...Hoyt GameMaster Hybrid...Kota TD AFB
Sight: Apex five pin
Arrows: Easton Maxum...SS XX78 2213 - Gamegetter 1816 - redline carbons
Accesories: sims products

segolden
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

Here's the draw-force power curve of the Phoenix, set at 56#: http://archersrest.myfreeforum.or...amp;filter=&page=9&order= Most high-speed compounds (Bowtech and several others) have a much sharper rise at the beginning of the curve, with a prolonged peak or plateau at the top, then a sharp drop off until stopping. The longer the plateau, the higher the velocity imparted to the arrow, but this can be rough on the archer who is more sensitive to strain. Different cams smooth the curve out at peak while sacrificing velocity, but still have a detectable peak. The Phoenix and Prototype Dragon don't sacrifice speed for smoothness because the lever-action has a long, rounded power curve, with no detectable peaking point. In addition, the "wall" at full-draw is absolute, with no stretching or overtravel. All this results in a smooth draw and little or no strain. More important to velocity fans, the bow is able to use a wider weight/spine range of arrows than normal, from ultra-light carbons to heavy woods and alloys. Frankly, it's the easiest bow I've ever shot, bar none. Here's someone else's impressions: http://monsterbows.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3434 _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

kirk
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject:

Ok i'm sold, i like it I like it a lot, but what about finger shooting. I have had problems in the past with acute angle strings causing finger pinch, i know it has a pretty low holding weight but couldn't this cause problems with string torque? I have found you need a real clean loose with low holding weights, and with a higher weight to aid release comes finger pinch. Have you shot one of these Steve and how did it feel on you fingers? _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

segolden
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject:

Yup, shot it with both a light tab and a thumb-release, no pinch with the tab at all. Torque doesn't seem to be an issue as the limbs act upon the string the same way as a longbow, absolutely straight travel at release. I couldn't see a problem even though the bow was set at 80% letoff. It actually made it easier for me to concentrate on form, though I didn't try shooting at any angle other than vertically. Since the letoff is virtually infinitely adjustable, if there was noticeable torque, running it back should cure it. Weird part is, this is the first mechanical bow I've seen that could be practical as an "instinctive" shooter. There's at least one guy shooting a Phoenix as barebow, off the shelf with a glove, and has collected a nice black bear this year. _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

kirk
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject:

Now i'm really sold, shooting off the shelf. I like the sound of that, think i will be making enquiries. _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

segolden
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

Personally, Kirk, I think it works best with a simple arrow rest/plunger, as the thing's so short that shooting at extreme angles just isn't necessary most of the time. Other than that, little else is needed unless you're really into precision accuracy. Just have patience if you order one; the Dragon's not even available for purchase yet, and probably won't be until summer. The Phoenix is just now starting to get up to speed in production, so it's still like ordering a custom handmade wood bow as far as the wait goes. It ain't Mathews or PSE, just a small-time operation. _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

kirk
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:13 am Post subject:

Hey and i'm a lefty too, that may cause a problem. if ya want the best it's worth the wait. _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

segolden
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject:

It's available in a lefthanded version, no worry there. _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

segolden
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject:

Nice setups and pics: http://monsterbows.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3312 _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Mjollnir
Grand Master Bowman

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject:

Nice pictures Segolden, but I am now hooked on the idea of one of their Dragon bows _________________ My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

segolden
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:24 pm Post subject:

Ah, not trying to talk you out of a Dragon, bro, just giving people a look at the basics of the mechanism. _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

CaptainBeaky
Apprentice Bowman

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Location: The Green and Pleasant Land

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject:

I also have to confess to being quite taken with the idea of a Dragon _________________ I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!

Club: Bridge Woods FAC
Bow: Marksman Portland
Sight: 20/20, thanks
Arrows: Stuck in a tree
Accesories: Knife for digging arrows out of trees

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