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| Joe(thebow)M |
Best Glue For Field Points?O'kay, went out this morning and shot one of my longbows for awhile,,, trying to figure out the best one to use in our AR Internet Archery League. It was about 30 degrees outside.I had three field points come off my arrows. No big deal really as I have plenty of arrows. However, one thing I've noticed is that when the weather changes and gets cold and I then take my arrows outside from a semi controlled 62 degree storage room,,, sometimes my field points will come off when pulling the arrows from the target. My guess is that this is from the change in tempature, though I allow the arrows I will use - to set outside for 15 minutes before I ever use them in the cold. Kind of figure it helps them to get use to the climate outdoors... I've always used Fletch Tite to glue the field points onto the wood shafts. My question is; Is there a better glue that may not be subject to tempature change resulting in the field points coming off every once in a while? Or maybe I'm just doing a poor job of gluing them on? 
It never happens with all of the arrows, only a few every once in awhile... Any thoughts? |
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| Blackheart |
I used to get lots of problems loosing field points on wooden arrows gluing with fletch-tite. I generally use epoxy resin these days, and haven't had a problem since.
Not sure how you would fare, though - it's a might colder where you are.... |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
Thanks Blackheart,,, I was wondering about an epoxy. I was also thinking of possibly using Gorilla Glue? Has anyone tried this yet? | ||||
| Dawn |
Not heard of Gorilla Glue I find its always stayed stuck for me unless I break a shaft and want to remove the pile to use again, then I simply heat it up and off it comes |
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| corbarwolf |
hi joe
i use araldite 2 pack adhesive and hardener and never lost a single pile. (£4 a pack over here) gorilla glue is good but probably too good for this type of application. mark |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
That's a good point for using the epoxy, Dawn.
If a person were to break a shaft the field tip would still be usable. With the Gorilla Glue I'm not so sure one could desolve this stuff with solvent or even by applying heat. I have used this "GG" in the past on woods and they claim it is also used on metals, stone, ceramic, and more... They also claim it's for the toughest jobs on planet earth... Also 100% waterproff... What to do, what to do??? 
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| Joe(thebow)M |
I'll look that araldite up, Mark. Thanks! Is the gorilla glue to good because of the price, or the product itself? If it's the price, I get it for cost. One of the little perks where I work... 
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| Dawn |
Araldite rapide is the one I use, its supposed to be dry in about 2 hours, (I leave it overnight) I think Araldite is the trade name for epoxy |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
Ohhh... Thanks Dawn! I to leave my arrows set overnite, and more times then not, for weeks - sometimes months.
The fletch tite does come in handy for the nocks and feathers. I have never experienced a problem in that area and it's easy to apply. However, since we will be shooting arrows in all kinds of weather conditions from very cold to very hot, an expandable epoxy would be the ticket for the field points. Again my thanks for the info my friends!
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| corbarwolf |
gorilla glue if memory serves me well has some expansion properties, like insulating spray foam, but to a lesser degree, which i suspect would make it hard to control. Used in furniture making i understand and reacts to air.
If you can get some at a good price give it a try and let us know how it works for you. I have some in my shed but only wish to open it when i really need to for home furniture use as it was not cheap i felt. Yes dawn i think we are talking the same... epoxy resin with activating hardener. Leaving it overnight is a must, i shoot it within 24 hours generally no probs. |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
I have some gorilla glue setting in front of me right now, Corbarwolf. Yes, it does expand as it dries and as you know this has to be watched and wiped off occassionally over about a 15 minute period.
I may make up a half dozen arrows this weekend in my shop and monitor the gg as it dries while fletching the shafts in my Jo-Jan fletchers. If I do I'll let you all know how it works out. I do know that you need to wet the wood before applying the glue, though I find this rather odd since it will be metal to wood, but they claim it works...
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| Blackheart |
That's the stuff - I have used both fast set and normal, and actually prefer the normal, as the fast set hardens very quickly indeed (faster than me putting points in, anyway!) |
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| jaselpool |
Araldite 2 part Epoxy all the way bud! Don't use Fletch-tite for points it's only meant for nocks and feathers. If you ever need to get yout points off that you've put on with Araldite gently heat the point up for 30 seconds over a low flame and then slide off with pliers
Jase |
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| Dawn |
Jase its a lot more fun to place all the points on the cooker and just leave them to pop off off my husband wont let me do it anymore since we decorated the kitchen |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
Good morning all! It would appear that everyone is in agreement that the 2 part epoxy is the way to go, and the slow drying epoxy (24 hour cure)...
I do have some Devcon Two Part Epoxy that is claimed, if memory serves without me running out to my workshop, (wood & metal - Excellent @ 2500 lb), and I'll look at work today because I think we have one that is rated, (wood & metal - Excellent @ 5000 lb)... I have also notice that some U.S. archery "website" stores offer the Devcon as a point adhesive. I was looking for the brand name 'Araldite' though I had no luck. I'm wondering if different parts of the world that we have much the same products only under a different name? Devcon -v- Araldite as such? Dawn,,, I try to keep my wife out of my workshop....  It doesn't work!
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| Onewackybow |
Gorilla glue... no wonder they're endangered! | ||||
| Joe(thebow)M |
Yes! Some people just go bananas over that stuff! 
I got to thinking that gorilla glue probably would not be the best thing to use as it expands while drying, resulting in (if you don't clamp the field point onto the shaft some how) the field point being pushed forward on the shaft as it dries. Also, you would have to continually unclamp the application to wipe off all the foam that occures when the gg is setting. I looked up the Araldite, and there is a alot of different Araldite products for different applications. The one I couldn't find that they advertised was the one that is suppose to be 'impact' resistant. Could one of you who use this Araldite post a product number? 
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| Blackheart |
Joe(thebow), I just use cheap (no-brand) epoxy with no problems ... |
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| corbarwolf |
hi joe,
try this website for info http://www.tooled-up.com/Product....Bostik-Araldite-Rapid---Tube-Pack cheers mark |
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| Joe(thebow)M |
Thanks Corbarwolf... It would appear that what I have (Devcon Two Part Epoxy) does the same as this Araldite, so I will give that a try.
My thanks to everyone for the excellent information! 
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| Dawn |
This is what I use Have fun |
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| Bushy |
I'm in the same rule of thought as Dawn I also use araldite rapide it is one of the best but u have to make sure that u get the saem quatity of resin and hardener else it dont work as well | ||||
| Joe(thebow)M |
I reset the field points on a dozen of my arrows yesterday using the slow drying
Devcon Two Part Epoxy. I did this after I shot my 'AR Wooden Arrows League' yesterday. I didn't lose any field points staying in the target fortunately. I do think the weather played a big part in me losing some field points that was glued on with the 'Fletchtite' when it was cold,,, but yesterday it was 40+ degrees. I won't take the chance of losing anymore however. Eventually I will get them (all my arrows field points) changed over to the Devcon Two Part Epoxy. 
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I have to go out to the garage now and use a candle 
not as much fun but it works ok 
I always get the shafts and piles all ready and then just mix enough for about 6 arrows (about an inch from each tube) as once it starts to set it goes very quickly