Purchasing advice - time for new arrows.

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chrispmoore
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Purchasing advice - time for new arrows.

Okay, I'm still new to archery. But I am getting fairly good. I need to get a new set of arrows, but I don't want to spend too much at this stage as I dont have the time at the moment to shoot a lot, and I don't plan on entering competitions anytime soon where I'll be chastising myself for my arrow not being super fast or flexing the right way or something. The set I have is Easton Jazz. Considering the ally Vs Carbon thing I hear a lot about I'm wondering whether I should get one over the other? Any what is the opinion on these: http://www.merlinarcherycentre.co..._-_Super_Club_-_Ready_to_Use.html ? The blurb is the same as the one from the people who make it, so the review statement of "best for beginners who want a little more" doesnt hold much water with me. And what shaft spine selection should I be making for 29" length arrows and a 34 draw bow? I like the Jazz. I'd just like to know if I should have a bit of both, or stick with the Allys? Looking at £25 or less for six by the way.

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject:

Im asuming your bow is 34lb and not 34" at full draw, this info will be relevant in selecting which spine to go for. A persoanl recomendation on a 'budget' arrow would be the easton xx75 platinum, tough as old boots and will straighten out quite easily. I used these for some time whilst having my recurve and they served me proud, whats good for one may not be so good for t'other though, they come in a little over your £25 budget at £32.34 form Merlin. _________________ Why not?

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chrispmoore
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

Yeah - its 34lb draw. What's your opinion on the carbon/ally thing?

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:

Hi chrispmoore I would think ally are probably best for now, Jazz are great for beginners, as Liam said Platinum are better but a bit more expensive At the moment I shoot ACC's from my recurve, (ally/carbon) and they do bend if they hit anything hard, but you can't straighten them I am thinking of going back to Platinum If carbon hit anything hard they may well shatter With Jazz and Platinum you can straighten the bends to make them re-useable Have you considered wooden arrows they are quite cheap if you buy the components and make them up yourself and these long winter evenings are the ideal time to do it We have suppliers amoungst us _________________ aka Cherrie Secretary Black Arrow Field Archery Club

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject:

Hi I'm with Liam on the xx75, good quality tuff as nails shafts, plus they come with G knocks. Check this out for spine selection http://www.eastonarchery.com/ Full of useful info on arrows, spine, etc. _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:09 am Post subject:

chrispmoore wrote:

Yeah - its 34lb draw.
What's your opinion on the carbon/ally thing?

As a beginner I'd stick with ally's for now, but its really down to personal preference, allys will last longer though as a rule.

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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:

Personally I would tend to agree with whats been said previously I have tried a number fo different ally and carbon shafts over the time I have been doing archery and would say that the XX75 Platinum are probably the way forward fairly cheap and good arrows. You looking at switching back to Platinums Dawn???? _________________ "Rules is Rules - If we didnt have rules, where would we be? Thats right, France! And if we had too many rules where would we be? Germany!" And No I am not Road Runners Son

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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject:

There seems to be a bit of a common theme here and I am afraid that I have to agree with everyone else, the best value for money for a robust, reliable arrow shaft is going to be the XX75. They have a thicker wall than the X7 and the alloy is better at taking impacts and bends, allowing you to straighten them easily. Past these you are either making a compromise in either price or trying to gain extra speed. They have the advantage over pure carbon arrows that you can find them with a metal detector. The XX75 was and still is the arrow of choice for many indoor target archers.

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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject:

and of many hunters still, i might add. alloy is very versatile, can even be weighted for different purposes.

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Blackheart
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject:

I would have to agree - I have used lightspeeds in the past, and currently use X7's with my compound - it can be difficult to straighten them if you manage to bend them. xx75's are easier to straighten. I am actually looking at a set of arrows for my recurve, and am probably going to get a set of xx75 Platinum arrows (remember when xx75's were anodized gold?) for much the same reasons listed above. At the risk of hi-jacking the thread, what point weight would you recommend? The bow is 44# @ 30" (arrow length 32") - probably going to go for 2114 shafts.

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject:

Are u having them made up and yes I can remember the old golds ones as well I have got a set somewhere dont know what state there are in and they are fletched with feathers on the point weight I would say take some advice from the retailers where u are geting them from _________________ "Rules is Rules - If we didnt have rules, where would we be? Thats right, France! And if we had too many rules where would we be? Germany!" And No I am not Road Runners Son

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

I shall be making them myself - if only to give me something to do. I must admit, I do rather enjoy making arrows (including woods), so would not pay someone else to do it. The only thing that I get the shop to do is cut the shaft to length, as I have done this myself in the past, but have found it difficult to get a good result (clumsy ). I was actually going to order the shafts on-line from one of the forums sponsors (who have them on special offer at the minute...) so look like a good deal. The only question is do I buy a spare set of X7's for the compound at the same time....

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject:

As this is our first year shooting both blackcat and myself use the xx75's, they are reasonably priced and are fairly tough. The only problem I've found is getting fletchings to stick. Fletchtite seems to work ok but you have to keep the shaft and fletching clean as they will pop of if the shaft is not really clean. Tried super glue on black cats arrows and they all fell off, some mid flight . As for cutting them I use a small pipe cutter the trick is to only tighten the blade a 1/4 turn for each revolution, I then de-bur the end with an old milling cutter with a taper ground in.

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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject:

To get your fletchings to stick you need to wipe the shaft and fletching with a solvent degreaser I use Acetone its a bit like nail varnish remover, a quick wipe on the shaft where the fletchings are to go and a quick wipe along the edge of the fletching where you apply the glue, (easiest done while the fletching is in the clamp) then I find fletchtight or any similar fletching glue works really well _________________ aka Cherrie Secretary Black Arrow Field Archery Club

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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:02 am Post subject:

I use the acetone trick as well, great stuff, also use it my petrol tank to increase fuel economy _________________ Why not?