New Prototype

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segolden
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: New Prototype

As some of you may know from posts waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in AR history, I've been a fan of Monster Bows for some time, and am awaiting one of their "Phoenix" models on order. Seems the company (which is basically a Mom-and Pop outfit in Michigan) had a spat with a parts supplier a while back, which is now resolved and bows are being shipped as I speak, so I'm hoping to have my own toy to play with in the next couple of months. Meantime, they've been working on a prototype bow, a longer more target-oriented model designated the "Dragon". I'm listing the site here in case anyone is interested, though it's probably going to be around summer before this particular bow hits the market. Otherwise, cruise the website and pick up a little about the people and products there, as they have an interesting alternative to the normal wheelie-bows. http://monsterbows.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3409 _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Club: none
Bow: Quinn Comet XL, Grozer Horsebow, KG ELB, Two Rivers R/D
Sight: DAS Kinetic SRF
Arrows: Easton X7 Eclipse 1916's, GT XT Hunter 3555's
Accesories: Sims SRS stab, enhancer & Limbsavers; Dawgware side-quiver

Awaiting MBLLC Phoenix bow

Joe(thebow)M
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject:

Interesting bow Segolden! Until you mentioned there being no wheels on it I did not even realize that feature until I took a second look at those pictures. That is interesting and from the results I read of this bow, it sounds very accurate! _________________ Joe(thebow)M

Club: White River Brigade
Bow: #38 to #55 @ 28" English Longbow
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kathyg
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject:

rather fancy the design myself, joe. steve's been hooked on the thing since last april, and you can read about his impressions here: http://archersrest.myfreeforum.org/about1996.html the interesting part about these bows, to me anyway, is how they can be set up for a child's draw weight, and then readjusted to heavy hunting draw-weights for an adult. it reminds me of my long-gone browning pistols, which could be broken down without many tools. i love simplicity, and i might consider one if steve's turns out to be as good as it seems to be. _________________ Man may plan, but God laughs.

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kirk
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject:

Nice, very nice indeed, looks like it would make a good fingershooters bow too, i love the fact it has no cams n wheels or cables running through the riser like the oneida. _________________ JUST SHOOT IT Owlethall Bowmen Secretary

Club: Owlethall Bowmen
Bow: Mathews Conqest 3...Hoyt GameMaster Hybrid...Kota TD AFB
Sight: Apex five pin
Arrows: Easton Maxum...SS XX78 2213 - Gamegetter 1816 - redline carbons
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Mjollnir
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:55 am Post subject:

Interested, are you kidding???? Where the hell do I sign!!!!! Especially with the pound being so strong against the dollar _________________ My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

Onewackybow
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:02 am Post subject:

Is it supplied with a small child who is an expert in "Cats Cradle" to string it? _________________ Right, let's fire up the quattro...

Club: Welland Valley Archers (Target) To be announced (Field)
Bow: Merlin Elite, Hoyt G3's
Sight: Merlin Omega
Arrows: Easton Superlite ACC
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

Field Bow - Samick SLB II & , wooden sticks

Mjollnir
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:

Onewackybow wrote:

Is it supplied with a small child who is an expert in "Cats Cradle" to string it?

YOu clearly haven't seen the hunting version of this shoot, or you'd be as excited as I am lol

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My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

Onewackybow
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:

My heart belongs to recurve bows... must resist the darkside... _________________ Right, let's fire up the quattro...

Mjollnir
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject:

Onewackybow wrote:

My heart belongs to recurve bows... must resist the darkside...

Mine too, and I had always toyed with the idea of a compound for a silly have a laugh bow, but when I saw the phoenix bow I thought I want one, now they are making a more target archery orientated one. I really really want.

I mean look at it, it is juat a recuvre with an extra bend in the limbs

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My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

Mjollnir
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject:

Thank You very much Selgolden I have just finished reading the review of this bow, and now I really really really want one. Tis true what they say what you don't know can't hurt you!! _________________ My shoes are too tight, but it doesn’t matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.

Club: Cambus Archery Society
Bow: SF PRO riser, with SF Carbon limbs
Sight: Sure-Loc Quest-X
Arrows: Easton Navigator FMJ 460 spine
Accesories: Merlin Triad Stabilisers

Onewackybow
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject:

Stll resisiting the temptation to try field archery without using my current setup is tough... Slightly off topic but I'm thinking the Samick SLB is where I'll be heading next. Reasonably cheap. Might start an new thread and cavas opinion... Dear Father Christmas, I've been a good boy all year, honest (please don't listen to Bernie) and would like you to bring me a Samick SLB and some fine wooden arrows. Yours in hope, Onewackybow _________________ Right, let's fire up the quattro...

segolden
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

Not trying to "lure" anybody off of traditional bows, Onewackybow, just like to show people there are alternatives to the conventional technology. I shoot recurve, longbow, and have looked for a compound that acts like them. This baby does that and more, without offending my need for a little nostalgia. But that's my choice, and I don't expect anyone else to conform. My whole shtick IS nonconformity. Indeed, both Phoenix and the prototype Dragon are good for finger-shooters, but not for the normal reasons. True, the Dragon has less of a string angle when fully drawn, so one would expect it to have less finger pinch, but remember we're still talking about an incredibly short bow. The Phoenix is even shorter, and yet has no detectable pinch, having shot it myself and talked to others who have. The primary reason for this is the power curve of the draw, no valleys or sharp peaks or spongy stops, just an ultra-smooth progression to maximum pull, then a smooth decrease to an absolute wall/stop. I had no problem holding at full draw for several minutes without any kind of mechanical release. A light tab worked fine, and a string loop/BT release did as well. The Dragon's main advantage over the Phoenix will be the same as any long-risered bow has over its shorter hunting brothers, a bit less "wobble" in precision shooting. Your choice. _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Onewackybow
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject:

segolden wrote:

Not trying to "lure" anybody off of traditional bows, Onewackybow, just like to show people there are alternatives to the conventional technology.

I shoot recurve, longbow, and have looked for a compound that acts like them. This baby does that and more, without offending my need for a little nostalgia. But that's my choice, and I don't expect anyone else to conform. My whole shtick IS nonconformity.

Indeed, both Phoenix and the prototype Dragon are good for finger-shooters, but not for the normal reasons. True, the Dragon has less of a string angle when fully drawn, so one would expect it to have less finger pinch, but remember we're still talking about an incredibly short bow. The Phoenix is even shorter, and yet has no detectable pinch, having shot it myself and talked to others who have. The primary reason for this is the power curve of the draw, no valleys or sharp peaks or spongy stops, just an ultra-smooth progression to maximum pull, then a smooth decrease to an absolute wall/stop. I had no problem holding at full draw for several minutes without any kind of mechanical release. A light tab worked fine, and a string loop/BT release did as well. The Dragon's main advantage over the Phoenix will be the same as any long-risered bow has over its shorter hunting brothers, a bit less "wobble" in precision shooting. Your choice.

Cheers segolden. I realised you weren't luring (is that even a word)!

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segolden
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:

Heh, maybe "leering" would've been more appropriate. I do that a lot when inside an archery shop (or book store). _________________ "For I have drawn Judah taut and applied [My hand] to Ephraim as to a bow." Zech. 9:13 http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/ http://www.melaniephillips.com/

Onewackybow
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject:

We like leering, leering is good. _________________ Right, let's fire up the quattro...